Re: Please check my first advocacy paper for open standards

[Ronald van Engelen <ronalde@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Op vr 09-05-2003, om 21:49 schreef Joost van Baal: 
> Hi Ronald e.a.,
> 
> On Fri, May 09, 2003 at 09:11:48PM +0200, Ronald van Engelen wrote:
> > Op za 03-05-2003, om 10:03 schreef Joost van Baal:
> > > On Sat, May 03, 2003 at 08:33:49AM +0200, Joost van Baal wrote:
> > > > On Thu, May 01, 2003 at 09:44:25PM +0200, Ronald van Engelen wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > I've created a document - only in Dutch :( - with the purpose to
> > > > > influence Rabobank (the largest bank in the Netherlands) to use open
> > > > > standards in their electronic communications.
> 
> > I manually applied the changes in the patches because I already had
> > changed some text in the original file. Now I've put in cvs to prevent
> > this from happening
> 
> > > -gebruikers eist dat ze Microsoft Internet Explorer gebruiken, terwijl hiertoe
> > > +gebruikers aanraadt dat ze Microsoft Internet Explorer gebruiken, terwijl hiertoe
> >
> > I did, and applied you suggested change
> 
> The files on http://www.lacocina.nl/rabo/ are still the old ones, aren't
> they?

The files are now up to date (version 1.4)

> > > Perhaps you could be more clear on terms for distributing your document:
> > > GNU FDL ?
> > 
> > GNU FDL is now attached as an appendix. I applied the DocBook xml
> > structure of the original (English) http://www.gnu.org/licenses/fdl.xml
> > to the unofficial Dutch text version. Any thoughts on getting this file
> > listed on gnu.org?
> 
> I didn't see a dutch FDL translation listed on
> http://www.gnu.org/licenses/translations.html#FDL .  Where did you get
> your dutch translation from?  Anyway, I'd say web-trans@xxxxxxx is the
> address to mail your xml-ified translation too.  Or perhaps you could
> contact the author of the dutch translation.

The Dutch translation is located at
http://huizen.dto.tudelft.nl/devries/fdl.nl.html
I have sent the maintainer (hdv at dto punt tudelft punt nl) my
xml-ified version (available at http://www.lacocina.nl/gnu/). 

> BTW, is http://www.lacocina.nl/rabo/raboplea-article.xml the current
> version of your document?

Nope, I renamed the file to lacocina-rabobank-article.xml for cvs
reasons.

> > > > I'm now gonna print the doc, and read it from paper.  FYI: .ps is
> > > > attached.
> > > Makefile I've used to generate it is attached.  If you wanna use it
> > > yourself, you'll have to rename the docbook xml file to *.dbx.
> > 
> > After a lot of hard work, I finally got openjade1.3 working. Somehow I
> > can get jade working though. It can't locate the docbook.dsl and
> > style-sheet.dtd (among others). I think I somehow corrupted my jade sgml
> > configuration (I'll look into that later). 
> 
> /usr/share/sgml/docbook/stylesheet/dsssl/modular/print/docbook.dsl is in
> the Debian docbook-dsssl package.  If you're running Debian, do you have
> this package installed?
> 
> > After changing /usr/bin/jade to /usr/bin/openjade
> > /usr/local/incluse/caspar/mk/docbook.mk all worked great. It would be
> > handy if it were changeable in the environment?
> 
> It is, just run e.g.
> 
>   JADE=/usr/bin/openjade make foo.ps
After reinstalling the docbook-dssl, caspar and jade packages, caspar now 
works, except for the html output. I use saxom to create that. 

> 
> BTW, caspar is available as a Debian package too, see
> http://mdcc.cx/software/ .
Already found it and added to my sources

> 
> > As I spent all of my time on getting the grips on cvs, caspar and jade 
> 
> You've learned a lot, I assume?  :-)

Alotalot!

> > I hope I'll be able to get going with the article next week.
> 
> OK!
> 
> > BTW: How come the default Apache fop output is so ugly, compared to the
> > jade output?
> 
> Uhh....  How does one generate ``default Apache fop output''?

Forgot it ;)

> 
> Thanks again for writing and maintaining the ``Rabobank en open
> standaarden vanuit klantperspectief'' document!

Graag gedaan

> 
> Bye,
> 
> Joost
> 
> PS: you couldn't make it to Brussels?  I haven't seen you there...
No, had to go to customer on thursday (he runs Windoze ;)